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Post  villahagler69 on Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:10 pm

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Bedshammer wrote:I haven't heard mention of General Krulak (sp) recently. Is he still on the scene?

Think he keeps a low profile after upsetting a number of supporters with his comments on that fans forum


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Post  FrenchSpur on Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:13 pm

Its a bit early in the season for wrist slitting isnt it???
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Post  Avfc_4eva_Sotc on Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:15 pm

FrenchSpur wrote:Its a bit early in the season for wrist slitting isnt it???

Yes but we have had the real easy run of games and having only managed 2 wins the future doesn't look to bright with Spurs, Liverpool, Man utd, Chelsea and Arsenal all to come on the run to new year Rolling Eyes

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Post  FrenchSpur on Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:17 pm

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FrenchSpur wrote:Its a bit early in the season for wrist slitting isnt it???

Yes but we have had the real easy run of games and having only managed 2 wins the future doesn't look to bright with Spurs, Liverpool, Man utd, Chelsea and Arsenal all to come on the run to new year Rolling Eyes

Wel you wil beat Liverpool and Arsenal in that lot Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Post  Avfc_4eva_Sotc on Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:18 pm

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Avfc_4eva_Sotc wrote:
FrenchSpur wrote:Its a bit early in the season for wrist slitting isnt it???

Yes but we have had the real easy run of games and having only managed 2 wins the future doesn't look to bright with Spurs, Liverpool, Man utd, Chelsea and Arsenal all to come on the run to new year Rolling Eyes

Wel you wil beat Liverpool and Arsenal in that lot Laughing Laughing Laughing

I very much doubt it

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Post  Bedshammer on Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:19 pm

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FrenchSpur wrote:Its a bit early in the season for wrist slitting isnt it???

Yes but we have had the real easy run of games and having only managed 2 wins the future doesn't look to bright with Spurs, Liverpool, Man utd, Chelsea and Arsenal all to come on the run to new year Rolling Eyes

The Championship's not so bad. At least the away games are more affordable......
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Post  villahagler69 on Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:19 pm

FrenchSpur wrote:Its a bit early in the season for wrist slitting isnt it???

From the guy that has Levy as Chairman, Redknapp as manager and VDV and Bale in the playing staff.

A few months away from the wrist slitting but without some big changes at Villa I can see where we are heading and it aint the Champions League.

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Post  FrenchSpur on Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:24 pm

villahagler69 wrote:
FrenchSpur wrote:Its a bit early in the season for wrist slitting isnt it???

From the guy that has Levy as Chairman, Redknapp as manager and VDV and Bale in the playing staff.

A few months away from the wrist slitting but without some big changes at Villa I can see where we are heading and it aint the Champions League.

Nothing wrong with that lot and we seem to be doing ok at present...
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Post  villahagler69 on Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:28 pm

FrenchSpur wrote:
villahagler69 wrote:
FrenchSpur wrote:Its a bit early in the season for wrist slitting isnt it???

From the guy that has Levy as Chairman, Redknapp as manager and VDV and Bale in the playing staff.

A few months away from the wrist slitting but without some big changes at Villa I can see where we are heading and it aint the Champions League.

Nothing wrong with that lot and we seem to be doing ok at present...


WELL THIS IS AN ASTON VILLA THREAD! AND WE ARE NOT! Whistle

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Post  Avfc_4eva_Sotc on Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:36 pm

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Avfc_4eva_Sotc wrote:
FrenchSpur wrote:Its a bit early in the season for wrist slitting isnt it???

Yes but we have had the real easy run of games and having only managed 2 wins the future doesn't look to bright with Spurs, Liverpool, Man utd, Chelsea and Arsenal all to come on the run to new year Rolling Eyes

The Championship's not so bad. At least the away games are more affordable......

I just imagine it would be devastating not to be in the top league, suppose because its an unknown for me. But I'd imagine we would be like coventry who was in the top division for like ever and since relegation has never been back or even look like returning.

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Post  Bedshammer on Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:40 pm

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Bedshammer wrote:
Avfc_4eva_Sotc wrote:
FrenchSpur wrote:Its a bit early in the season for wrist slitting isnt it???

Yes but we have had the real easy run of games and having only managed 2 wins the future doesn't look to bright with Spurs, Liverpool, Man utd, Chelsea and Arsenal all to come on the run to new year Rolling Eyes

The Championship's not so bad. At least the away games are more affordable......

I just imagine it would be devastating not to be in the top league, suppose because its an unknown for me. But I'd imagine we would be like coventry who was in the top division for like ever and since relegation has never been back or even look like returning.

It's nice to watch us winning games after the last couple of seasons. Sometimes relegation can be a chance to regroup and rebuild, and at the moment that's what we seem to be doing. Imagine, 10,000 Hammers at the Ricoh Arena!
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Re: The pursuit of mediocrity

Post  QBVILLA on Thu Oct 27, 2011 5:42 am

Cheery feckers Very Happy
Anyone who wants Mr Lerner out is being extremely short sighted.Yes his managerial appointments have been questionable, but compare him to some of the other foreign owners we've seen in the Prem recently.Villa are a big club, but the stats speak for themselves.One league title in the last 100 years.No FA cup since 1957 and the last time we finished in the top 4 was 15 years ago.Our ceiling is 6th when you take into consideration the competition.The chairman still released funds in the summer to sign Given and N'Zogbia both of whom will be on multi million pound contracts.Outside of the top six there aren't any other clubs who will have several players on £50k + a week.Look at Everton,a club of stature pretty much on a par with ours bet they wish they could have our spending power.Difference there is they have a really top class manager.After O'Neill the only way we were going to go was downwards, it's a case now of trying to find our level.
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Post  jak on Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:00 am

QBVILLA wrote:Cheery feckers Very Happy
Anyone who wants Mr Lerner out is being extremely short sighted.Yes his managerial appointments have been questionable, but compare him to some of the other foreign owners we've seen in the Prem recently.Villa are a big club, but the stats speak for themselves.One league title in the last 100 years.No FA cup since 1957 and the last time we finished in the top 4 was 15 years ago.Our ceiling is 6th when you take into consideration the competition.The chairman still released funds in the summer to sign Given and N'Zogbia both of whom will be on multi million pound contracts.Outside of the top six there aren't any other clubs who will have several players on £50k + a week.Look at Everton,a club of stature pretty much on a par with ours bet they wish they could have our spending power.Difference there is they have a really top class manager.After O'Neill the only way we were going to go was downwards, it's a case now of trying to find our level.
You need more Frenchmen, if your downer on poor Houlier han't affected his health you'd have been on the up now.
You've been punished though, you've got McLeish for your sins. No

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Post  Billy Bonds on Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:17 am

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QBVILLA wrote:Cheery feckers Very Happy
Anyone who wants Mr Lerner out is being extremely short sighted.Yes his managerial appointments have been questionable, but compare him to some of the other foreign owners we've seen in the Prem recently.Villa are a big club, but the stats speak for themselves.One league title in the last 100 years.No FA cup since 1957 and the last time we finished in the top 4 was 15 years ago.Our ceiling is 6th when you take into consideration the competition.The chairman still released funds in the summer to sign Given and N'Zogbia both of whom will be on multi million pound contracts.Outside of the top six there aren't any other clubs who will have several players on £50k + a week.Look at Everton,a club of stature pretty much on a par with ours bet they wish they could have our spending power.Difference there is they have a really top class manager.After O'Neill the only way we were going to go was downwards, it's a case now of trying to find our level.
You need more Frenchmen, if your downer on poor Houlier han't affected his health you'd have been on the up now.
You've been punished though, you've got McLeish for your sins. No

Could have been worse they could have appointed Avram Grant he's got a brillaint cv aint he

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Post  QBVILLA on Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:46 am

jak wrote:
QBVILLA wrote:Cheery feckers Very Happy
Anyone who wants Mr Lerner out is being extremely short sighted.Yes his managerial appointments have been questionable, but compare him to some of the other foreign owners we've seen in the Prem recently.Villa are a big club, but the stats speak for themselves.One league title in the last 100 years.No FA cup since 1957 and the last time we finished in the top 4 was 15 years ago.Our ceiling is 6th when you take into consideration the competition.The chairman still released funds in the summer to sign Given and N'Zogbia both of whom will be on multi million pound contracts.Outside of the top six there aren't any other clubs who will have several players on £50k + a week.Look at Everton,a club of stature pretty much on a par with ours bet they wish they could have our spending power.Difference there is they have a really top class manager.After O'Neill the only way we were going to go was downwards, it's a case now of trying to find our level.
You need more Frenchmen, if your downer on poor Houlier han't affected his health you'd have been on the up now.
You've been punished though, you've got McLeish for your sins. No


We've already got too many Frenchmen,one
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Post  villainies on Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:53 am

QBVILLA wrote:Cheery feckers Very Happy
Anyone who wants Mr Lerner out is being extremely short sighted.Yes his managerial appointments have been questionable, but compare him to some of the other foreign owners we've seen in the Prem recently.Villa are a big club, but the stats speak for themselves.One league title in the last 100 years.No FA cup since 1957 and the last time we finished in the top 4 was 15 years ago.Our ceiling is 6th when you take into consideration the competition.The chairman still released funds in the summer to sign Given and N'Zogbia both of whom will be on multi million pound contracts.Outside of the top six there aren't any other clubs who will have several players on £50k + a week.Look at Everton,a club of stature pretty much on a par with ours bet they wish they could have our spending power.Difference there is they have a really top class manager.After O'Neill the only way we were going to go was downwards, it's a case now of trying to find our level.

Do you sit at work necking low grade LSD? Have you seen the state of Arsenal this season? Liverpool aren't much better. I admit the top three are way out on their own but Arse, Liverpool and spuds are the level we should be striving for. Randy ran out of money and got fecked by MON buying shat players but we were only a few playersd from a top team and now look at us. I don't think we'll get relegated but definitely bottom half of the table. No Sad times.
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Post  villanfromluton on Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:54 am

Villahagler, wasnt having a dig at you, just think we have to be realistic. Other than the top 6, surely we arguably are in as good a position as any club. Personally, I am bored stiff with the football these days, have been for a while. The Bannan incident this week just sums up what total cocks a lot of these players are, think they can do whatever they want.
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Post  Guest on Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:04 pm

It's not that bad in the Championship, us Hammers will try and be happier than you lot when we swap places next season. Very Happy

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Post  roadoftrinity on Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:06 pm

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Do you sit at work necking low grade LSD? Have you seen the state of Arsenal this season? Liverpool aren't much better. I admit the top three are way out on their own but Arse, Liverpool and spuds are the level we should be striving for. Randy ran out of money and got fecked by MON buying shat players but we were only a few playersd from a top team and now look at us. I don't think we'll get relegated but definitely bottom half of the table. No Sad times.

Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs aren't our level, we only managed to try and compete with them due to investment of money from our chairman, where as they are self financing. Even when we were at our peak under MON, we still only sold out our ground twice in a season. WHere can the chairman go there when we knows that the fans won't turn up even though we are doing so well?

Spurs and Arsenal charge massive amounts for seasons tickets, as do Liverpool and they all have waiting lists. They can all get bigger sponsorship deals.

Everton, Sunderland, Newcastle etc, they are Villa's level.

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Post  villanfromluton on Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:20 pm

Ezekiel 25:17 wrote:It's not that bad in the Championship, us Hammers will try and be happier than you lot when we swap places next season. Very Happy

We may be bad, not that bad though Wink
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Post  Guest on Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:25 pm

villanfromluton wrote:
Ezekiel 25:17 wrote:It's not that bad in the Championship, us Hammers will try and be happier than you lot when we swap places next season. Very Happy

We may be bad, not that bad though Wink

Joking aside, you'll be fine this season. Fcuking N'Zogbia has messed up my dream team though. Mad

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Post  villainies on Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:49 pm

roadoftrinity wrote:
villainies wrote:

Do you sit at work necking low grade LSD? Have you seen the state of Arsenal this season? Liverpool aren't much better. I admit the top three are way out on their own but Arse, Liverpool and spuds are the level we should be striving for. Randy ran out of money and got fecked by MON buying shat players but we were only a few playersd from a top team and now look at us. I don't think we'll get relegated but definitely bottom half of the table. No Sad times.

Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs aren't our level, we only managed to try and compete with them due to investment of money from our chairman, where as they are self financing. Even when we were at our peak under MON, we still only sold out our ground twice in a season. WHere can the chairman go there when we knows that the fans won't turn up even though we are doing so well?

Spurs and Arsenal charge massive amounts for seasons tickets, as do Liverpool and they all have waiting lists. They can all get bigger sponsorship deals.

Everton, Sunderland, Newcastle etc, they are Villa's level.

For two seasons we averaged pretty much 40000. 5000 more than spurs and not too far behind Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City. What will we average this year? Closer to 31k I reckon, I wonder how Lerner is going to like those onions? If he wants a full ground we need to be playing good football and challenging the top teams. He arrived with his 5 year plan, invested in the training ground and facilities and the club in general and sanctioned the purchase of playing staff which sadly was more misses than hits. We'd got a good side but needed another season or two to complete what he started when the money and will dried up. He must've known what he was getting into, he got a good club for peanuts that needed significant investment to break into the bigtime. He won't make back the money he spent unless he sells, now isn't the right time but once the economy is back on track I'm sure we will be very much up for sale.
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Post  roadoftrinity on Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:31 pm

2009-2010 was our most successful season ever in terms of points total in the Premier League having 20 teams in it, we also got the Carling Cup final and FA Cup semi final, however, below is the percentage that our ground was full for Premier League games. This was, remember our most successful season ever in the Premier League in it's current format. Also remember that it was probably Liverpools worst season in years. There are reasons for this obviously, but surely this must have been an eye opener for Lerner on how far he could take the club, and how other clubs could below us could expand there grounds to increase revenue.

Arsenal - 99.16
Man Utd - 98.81
Tottenham - 98.8
Stoke City - 98.77
Chelsea - 97.58
Wolves - 96.8
Manchester City - 96.01
Hull City - 96.01
West Ham Utd - 95.41
Liverpool - 94.49
Fulham - 93.84
Everton - 91.45
Burnley - 90.99
Aston Villa - 90.16
Portsmouth - 88.12
Birmingham - 83.93
Sunderland - 82.85
Blackburn - 81.07
Bolton - 78.49
Wigan Athletic - 71.61

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Post  jak on Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:36 pm

villainies wrote:
roadoftrinity wrote:
villainies wrote:

Do you sit at work necking low grade LSD? Have you seen the state of Arsenal this season? Liverpool aren't much better. I admit the top three are way out on their own but Arse, Liverpool and spuds are the level we should be striving for. Randy ran out of money and got fecked by MON buying shat players but we were only a few playersd from a top team and now look at us. I don't think we'll get relegated but definitely bottom half of the table. No Sad times.

Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs aren't our level, we only managed to try and compete with them due to investment of money from our chairman, where as they are self financing. Even when we were at our peak under MON, we still only sold out our ground twice in a season. WHere can the chairman go there when we knows that the fans won't turn up even though we are doing so well?

Spurs and Arsenal charge massive amounts for seasons tickets, as do Liverpool and they all have waiting lists. They can all get bigger sponsorship deals.

Everton, Sunderland, Newcastle etc, they are Villa's level.

For two seasons we averaged pretty much 40000. 5000 more than spurs and not too far behind Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City. What will we average this year? Closer to 31k I reckon, I wonder how Lerner is going to like those onions? If he wants a full ground we need to be playing good football and challenging the top teams. He arrived with his 5 year plan, invested in the training ground and facilities and the club in general and sanctioned the purchase of playing staff which sadly was more misses than hits. We'd got a good side but needed another season or two to complete what he started when the money and will dried up. He must've known what he was getting into, he got a good club for peanuts that needed significant investment to break into the bigtime. He won't make back the money he spent unless he sells, now isn't the right time but once the economy is back on track I'm sure we will be very much up for sale.

I think you can lay the blame firmly at MON's door. He had an excellent chance of finishing top four, yet he played home games like you were the away side. You win nothing playing like that. That period was the turning point, in my eyes.
You had a great opportunity and his negativity stopped you giving it your best shot.
Not to mention his rank stupidity in the uefa cup!!!

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